EpisodesReviewsCharts
Detailed
Compact
July 23, 2019
Episode 56: Focusing on Childhood Issues in Therapy for Binge Eating
In this episode, Kathryn shares a personal story about focusing on her childhood problems in therapy, and why it wasn’t effective in her own recovery from binge eating. She also talks about how she’s reinterpreted issues from her childhood based on her experiences as a parent. In addition, you’ll learn about when childhood issues or […]
More info...
18 min
June 10, 2019
Episode 55: What a “Simple” Approach to Binge Eating Recovery Means (And What it Doesn’t Mean!)
In Episode 55, Kathryn explains why she uses the word “simple” to describe the Brain over Binge approach.  You’ll learn that a “simple” approach is not the same as a “just quit” approach.  At the end of the episode, you’ll learn about getting more guidance in recovery from the upcoming Brain over Binge 8-Week Course. […]
More info...
11 min
April 30, 2019
Episode 54: Stop Purging in Binge Eating Recovery: Interview with Ali Kerr
In Episode 54, Kathryn discusses purging with Ali Kerr, the author of The Binge Code and the Bulimia Help Method, and the founder of HealED coaching. Ali talks about her experience overcoming self-induced vomiting and binge eating, and gives useful advice to help you put an end to harmful purging behaviors. There were several resources […]
More info...
35 min
February 14, 2019
Episode 53: What Can Hold You Back in Binge Eating Recovery, Part 2: Weight Obsession (Interview with Katherine Thomson, Ph.D.)
In Episode 53, Kathryn talks to Katherine Thomson, Ph.D. about weight obsession and how it can affect recovery from binge eating. You will learn ways to have a healthier perspective about your weight so that you can successfully overcome your eating issues. Sign up for the Brain over Binge 8-Week Course HERE *Learn about course […]
More info...
28 min
February 12, 2019
Episode 52: What Can Hold You Back in Binge Eating Recovery, Part 1: Food Addiction (Interview with Katherine Thomson, Ph.D.)
In Episode 52, Kathryn talks to Katherine Thomson, Ph.D. about food addiction and how it can affect recovery from binge eating. You will learn to have a more helpful mindset surrounding the idea of food addiction, so that you can keep moving toward a binge-free life. Sign up for the Brain over Binge 8-Week Course […]
More info...
29 min
December 11, 2018
Episode 51: Should I Have Former Binge Foods in My House? (and 2019 Podcast Plans)
In Episode 51, Kathryn address a question about buying junk food and former binge food, and keeping those foods in your home. You’ll also hear about what to expect in 2019 on the Brain over Binge Podcast. Coaching Audios from Kathryn (RECOVERY GOALS COACH) Sign up HERE for the Brain over Binge Newsletter and updates […]
More info...
14 min
December 10, 2018
Episode 50: Audio Coaching to Overcome Binge Eating, Emotional Eating, and Night Eating (Interview with Alen Standish)
In Episode 50, Kathryn talks to fellow podcaster Alen Standish about overcoming binge eating, overeating, emotional eating, and night eating. Alen talks about his new audio delivery system that both he and Kathryn are using to help listeners receive coaching when they need it. Learn how to get coaching audios from Alen and/or Kathryn below: […]
More info...
44 min
November 13, 2018
Episode 49: Q&A: Can I Use the Brain over Binge Approach to Stick to Strict Eating Plans?
In Episode 49, Kathryn address questions that were raised after a discussion of Brain over Binge appeared on the Bright Line Eating™ blog.  She talks about the importance of eating enough and using the Brain over Binge concepts for their intended purpose of ending binge eating. Episodes referenced in this podcast: Episode 12: Dismissing Urges […]
More info...
12 min
October 9, 2018
Episode 48: Q&A: Impulsive vs. Planned Binges / Thoughts of Purging Before Binges
In Episode 48, Kathryn address two questions. The first deals with the difference between an impulsive binge and a planned binge, and the second addresses how to handle thoughts of purging that encourage you to binge.  You’ll also receive information about the upcoming coaching audios that will be available by the end of this month […]
More info...
18 min
September 11, 2018
Episode 47: Q&A: What If I’m Overeating After I Stop Binge Eating?
In Episode 47, Kathryn discusses a question about overeating. She explains that when binge eating stops, there may be other eating habits to work on, but those habits can be improved in a gradual and sustainable way. Kathryn encourages binge eaters and former binge eaters to avoid perfectionism and restriction when developing a normal, nourishing […]
More info...
18 min
August 14, 2018
Episode 46: Q&A: How Do I Stay Binge-Free on Vacation? / Why Do I Keep “Starting Over” in Recovery?
In episode 46, Kathryn discusses two questions that were submitted to the podcast. First, she gives tips for avoiding binge eating while on a holiday, business trip, or vacation. Second, she explains how you can keep improving and practicing in recovery, instead of feeling like you are constantly starting over. Sign up HERE for the […]
More info...
14 min
July 17, 2018
Episode 45: Trauma, Depression, and Binge Eating Recovery (Interview with Maria Marklove)
In Episode 45, Kathryn interviews binge eating and mental resilience coach Maria Marklove about dealing with trauma, depression, and emotional pain along with binge eating.  Maria shares her own experience of overcoming these issues in her life, and helping others do the same. Visit Maria’s website HERE, and also get her 65-page, hand-illustrated Ultimate Guide To Stop […]
More info...
33 min
July 10, 2018
Episode 44: Q&A: Learning to Exercise in a Healthy Way (Tips for Recovering Binge Eaters)
In Episode 44, Kathryn address a question about exercise. In this discussion, she gives 5 tips to help you approach exercise in a healthy way during and after recovery from binge eating. Sign up HERE for the Newsletter and updates (you’ll also receive the free eBook “Brain over Binge Basics”) *The newsletter will be delivered […]
More info...
19 min
June 12, 2018
Episode 43: Q&A: Binge Urges are Too Persistent / Confusion about How to Finally Recover
In Episode 43, Kathryn address a question with two parts. The first part addresses what to do when it feels like the urges last too long, and you feel like you need to binge just to make them go away. The second part explains how to move forward when you feel confused about how to […]
More info...
16 min
May 29, 2018
Episode 42: The Power of Mindfulness in Binge Eating Recovery: Interview with Fernanda (Life on Tellus)
In Episode 42, Kathryn interviews Fernanda, from Life on Tellus, about using mindfulness to help end binge eating and find freedom around food. Fernanda discusses how she used mindfulness and meditation in her own recovery, and how she teaches those skills to the people she coaches. This conversation dives into some of the science behind mindfulness […]
More info...
36 min
May 8, 2018
Episode 41: Q&A: Why Can Other People Eat Healthy and Lose Weight?
In Episode 41, Kathryn answers a question about comparing yourself to others who are seemingly successful at weight loss, fitness, and health. You’ll also hear information about an upcoming FREE webinar (see below) that relates to the topic of healthy lifestyle changes. WEBINAR: Making Healthy Changes without Dieting, with Daniel Thomas Hind (May 16th, 8:30pmET […]
More info...
18 min
April 19, 2018
Episode 40: Body Image and Binge Eating: Interview with Brynn Johnson
In Episode 40, Kathryn interviews Brynn Johnson on the topic of body image. Brynn discusses how body image issues impact binge eaters and recovered binge eaters, and she gives advice on how to manage negative body thoughts. Brynn also talks about letting go of your attachment to dieting and trying to change your body. Brynn’s […]
More info...
30 min
April 10, 2018
Episode 39: Q&A: Giving up the “Pleasure” of Binges / Emotional Attachment to Binge Eating
In this Q&A episode, Kathryn addresses two questions – the first about giving up the secondary benefits (pleasure) of binges, and the second about breaking the connection between binge eating and emotions. Get the free eBook “The Brain over Binge Basics” (You will also receive the Brain over Binge monthly newsletter*) *The newsletter will be […]
More info...
12 min
March 13, 2018
Episode 38: Q&A: Increasing Awareness of Binge Urges / Binge Eating as a Form of Self-Punishment
In Episode 38, Kathryn addresses two questions. The first is from someone who finds herself automatically binge eating without being aware of it, and who also has thoughts saying that dismissing urges will be “too hard.” The second question is from someone who feels like she is binge eating as a way to punish herself, […]
More info...
20 min
February 22, 2018
Episode 37: Learning to Eat Normally: Interview with Jenn Hand
In Episode 37, Kathryn talks with food and body image coach Jenn Hand about learning to let go of restriction and binge eating, and develop “normal” eating habits. The goal of this episode is to give you options and ideas to help you with Recovery Goal 2 (Eating Adequately).  Jenn provides a great perspective on […]
More info...
29 min
February 13, 2018
Episode 36: Q&A: Physical Consequences of Binge Eating
In Episode 36, Kathryn answers a question about the potential physical effects of eating large volumes of food, especially late at night. The primary goal of this discussion is to give you new ways to think about physical consequences (not to provide medical advice). Get the free eBook “The Brain over Binge Basics” (You will […]
More info...
22 min
February 5, 2018
Episode 35a: How You Can Get Support and Coaching While Using the Brain over Binge Approach (An Alternative to the 8-Week Group Course)
In this special episode, Kathryn announces that the Brain over Binge 8-Week Group Course has been postponed, but gives an another option for getting the course material as well as support and coaching in recovery.  The alternative is the Independent Study Course + After Course Support (for a discounted price).  Learn more by clicking the […]
More info...
5 min
January 24, 2018
Episode 35: Fostering a Positive Mindset in Recovery: Interview with Katherine Thomson, Ph.D.
In Episode 35, Kathryn talks with Katherine Thomson, Ph.D., about how to develop a positive mindset for recovery, and take positive action to build new habits. Katherine gives practical advice about how to set goals, reward yourself, overcome slips, and deal with negative body image. Katherine Thomson’s email:   kat.thomson.phd@gmail.com Get the free eBook (“The Brain […]
More info...
42 min
January 9, 2018
Episode 34: Q&A: Neuroplasticity / Dieting Mentality
This is the first Q&A episode on the Brain over Binge Podcast. Kathryn answers two questions – the first about neuroplasticity as it relates to dismissing urges, and the second about how to deal with harmful thoughts of dieting. In answering the second question, Kathryn references Episode 29: Getting out of the Diet Cycle: Interview […]
More info...
18 min
December 19, 2017
Episode 33: Challenging Your Motivations to Diet
In Episode 33, Kathryn discusses four reasons why you may feel a desire to diet, and how to challenge each of those reasons. When you uncover your motivations for dieting, which can be simple or more complex, you can better avoid harmful, restrictive behaviors.  You will also hear some important updates about the podcast in […]
More info...
17 min
December 5, 2017
Episode 32: Holiday Yes’s and No’s are Separate from Binge Yes’s and No’s
In Episode 32, Kathryn gives some advice for the holidays.  The discussion revolves around saying “yes” or “no” to holiday events, obligations, or foods; and how those decisions are separate from your decision to binge or not to binge. Get the free eBook (You will also receive Kathryn’s monthly newsletter) Learn about the Brain over Binge […]
More info...
15 min
November 21, 2017
Episode 31: Making Healthy Changes After Binge Eating Recovery: An Interview with Daniel Thomas Hind of EvolutionEat
Kathryn talks to Daniel Thomas Hind of EvolutionEat about improving eating and lifestyle habits, without dieting. Daniel explains that eating healthier is a process and a skill that you can train and develop so that it’s sustainable.  This episode primarily applies to those who have stopped or reduced binge eating, or who have never suffered from […]
More info...
34 min
November 21, 2017
Episode 30a: A Short Message From Kathryn (Listen before moving on to Episode 31)
I wanted to take a moment before today’s podcast episode (Episode 31) to let you know that I will sometimes have guests on the show to talk about eating and health more broadly, or to address issues that go beyond binge eating.  I want you to understand the purpose of this, and I also want you […]
More info...
3 min
November 7, 2017
Episode 30: No Resolutions to Diet
In Episode 30, Kathryn discusses how to stop following cultural dieting patterns and stay focused on recovery, even if others are focusing on weight loss at certain times of the year.  She encourages you to think ahead and commit to avoid setting a resolution to diet in the New Year.  This, in turn, will help […]
More info...
11 min
October 24, 2017
Episode 29: Getting Out of the Diet Cycle: Interview with Lydia the Lifestyle Coach
Kathryn talks with Lydia the Lifestyle Coach about the harmful nature of restrictive dieting and its ineffectiveness as a weight-loss strategy. Lydia explains how she helps women and men end dieting and move toward a healthy relationship with food.  Lydia also discusses the importance of body acceptance in recovery. Learn more about Lydia, or get […]
More info...
27 min
October 10, 2017
Episode 28: Reframing Your Motivation for Recovery
In Episode 28, Kathryn talks about the importance of motivation in recovery.  She encourages you to think about your reasons for recovery in a new way, so that you don’t lose your motivation when life feels difficult. Get the free eBook (“The Brain over Binge Basics”) here Update: You can get the Brain over Binge Independent […]
More info...
11 min
September 26, 2017
Episode 27: Freedom from Unwanted Habits: An Interview with Dr. Amy Johnson
In Episode 27, Kathryn talks with Amy Johnson, Ph.D. about experiencing freedom from binge eating and any unwanted habit. Amy explains her enlightening approach to understanding and ending habits, which has helped so many of her clients find profound and lasting change. Amy discusses the role of thought, shares a deeper perspective on what it […]
More info...
23 min
September 12, 2017
Episode 26: Night Eating
In Episode 26, Kathryn discusses night eating, which is common in binge eaters and also occurs in those who don’t binge. You will learn why you may have more food cravings at night, and receive some tips on how to deal with those cravings. Get the free eBook (“The Brain over Binge Basics”) here Update: […]
More info...
15 min
August 29, 2017
Episode 25: Compulsive Overeating, Emotional Eating, and Binge Eating: What are the Differences? (Interview with Cookie Rosenblum)
In Episode 25, Cookie Rosenblum returns to the show as a guest to talk about compulsive overeating, emotional eating, as well as a binge eating.  Cookie explains why it’s important to understand the differences, and how to start changing these problematic eating behaviors. Learn more about the Freedom Group HERE (The Freedom Group is Cookie’s […]
More info...
25 min
August 15, 2017
Episode 24: Improving Your Ability to Dismiss Binge Urges
In Episode 24, Kathryn gives three tips for improving your ability to apply the 5 Components of Dismissing Urges to Binge. The discussion is directed toward those who are new to the Brain over Binge approach or those who are struggling to dismiss binge urges. Get the free eBook (“The Brain over Binge Basics”) *NOTICE: […]
More info...
12 min
August 2, 2017
Episode 23a: Learn about the Brain over Binge 8-Week Group Course
In Episode 23a, Kathryn Hansen and Cookie Rosenblum talk about the Brain over Binge 8-Week Group Course which is now open for registration. You’ll learn the details of the course to see if it would be a good option for you in your own recovery. Get more information and sign up for the 8-Week Group […]
More info...
11 min
August 1, 2017
Episode 23: Dismiss Thoughts of “Compensating” for a Binge
In Episode 23, Kathryn discusses some common habitual thoughts that may be encouraging you to binge:  thoughts of “making up for” or “compensating” for a binge.  She discusses the harmful nature of purging behaviors, and how to avoid letting thoughts of compensating for binges convince you to act on binge urges. Get the free eBook […]
More info...
11 min
July 18, 2017
Episode 22: Mindful Eating Tip: Eating on a Plate
In Episode 22, Kathryn gives a simple suggestion on how to increase awareness when you are eating.  You’ll learn the benefits of serving yourself meals and snacks on a plate (or in another serving dish), and you’ll gain new insights about eating mindfully during binge eating recovery. Get the free eBook (“The Brain over Binge […]
More info...
14 min
July 4, 2017
Episode 21: Dealing with PMS, or with Feeling “Off,” as a Recovering Binge Eater
In this episode, Kathryn discusses how to avoid letting symptoms of PMS get you off track in recovery.  This episode is not just for women who deal with PMS; it is for anyone who experiences changes in appetite, mood, energy, or cravings. You could apply the advice you hear in this episode to anytime that […]
More info...
13 min
June 27, 2017
Episode 20a: The Brain over Binge Independent Study Course
This is a special episode of the Brain over Binge Podcast. Kathryn and Cookie introduce and discuss the NEW Brain over Binge Independent Study Course, which is now available. You’ll learn the purpose and details of this self-paced online course so that you can determine if it’s right for you. If the Brain over Binge […]
More info...
8 min
June 20, 2017
Episode 20: Prevent Dieting to Prevent Binge Eating: Be Aware of What You Say to Children
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Kathryn talks about why dieting prevention is a key part of preventing binge eating. You will learn that one important way to prevent dieting is to be careful of what you say about food, weight, and diets around children. You can also […]
More info...
12 min
June 6, 2017
Episode 19: Should You Drink Alcohol While Trying to Stop Binge Eating?
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Kathryn discusses the affect that alcohol has on the higher and lower brain, and why drinking may make it more difficult to dismiss binge urges.  You will learn how to make a good individual decision about whether or not to have alcohol […]
More info...
12 min
May 23, 2017
Episode 18: Don’t Let Food and Weight Talk Get You off Track
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Kathryn discusses what to do when you hear others talking about food and weight, whether that talk comes from friends, family, classmates, coworkers, social media, entertainment, or advertising.  You will learn how to stay detached from what people say about diets and weight […]
More info...
15 min
May 9, 2017
Episode 17: What if You Binge During Recovery?
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Cookie Rosenblum returns to co-host along with Kathryn, to discuss the topic of moving forward after a slip.  You will learn how to have a helpful mindset surrounding any binges that you do have during recovery, so that you do not feel hopeless or give up.  Cookie and Kathryn […]
More info...
16 min
April 25, 2017
Episode 16: Eating Intuitively: Is it Right for You in Recovery from Binge Eating?
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Kathryn discusses the topic of eating intuitively.  Intuitive eating is a common approach to normalizing eating habits in recovery; however, there are some challenges with this approach and it’s not right for everyone.  This episode will help you determine if and how […]
More info...
13 min
April 11, 2017
Episode 15: Readiness for Recovery from Binge Eating
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Kathryn discusses the topic of being ready for recovery. It’s possible you may need to work on an area of your life or another problem in order to prepare for dismissing urges and eating adequately; but most likely, you are ready for […]
More info...
12 min
March 28, 2017
Episode 14: Overcome “One Last Time” Thoughts to Quit Binge Eating
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Kathryn discusses an aspect of binge urges that may be convincing you to act on them: “One Last Time” thoughts.  You will learn why you have thoughts that tell you to binge just one more time, and how to deal with those […]
More info...
11 min
March 14, 2017
Episode 13: How to Stop Binge Eating Under Stress
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Kathryn discusses a practical way to view the relationship between binge eating and stress.  You will learn that you are capable of avoiding binge eating even when you experience stress, but you will also learn how stress reduction can be used to […]
More info...
14 min
February 28, 2017
Episode 12: Dismissing Urges to Binge is Not a Dieting Strategy
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Kathryn explains that the Brain over Binge approach is not a way to become a better dieter.  You’ll learn not to use the strategy of dismissing urges in a way it is not intended.  Kathryn discusses why you should not try to […]
More info...
12 min
February 21, 2017
Episode 11: Common Questions about Binge Eating Recovery
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, Cookie and Kathryn address some of the main questions and concerns that you may have after learning the Brain over Binge approach.  Topics discussed are: powerful urges, fear of recovery, overeating, and night eating. Get Kathryn’s free eBook “The Brain over Binge […]
More info...
18 min
February 14, 2017
Episode 10: When Will You Stop Binge Eating for Good?
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn that recovery happens on different timelines for different people. Cookie and Kathryn explain why this is the case, and why practice, perseverance, and patience are necessary.  You’ll also learn to develop a helpful mindset for overcoming any slips you may […]
More info...
14 min
February 7, 2017
Episode 9: Avoid Restrictive Dieting to Stop Binge Eating
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn why restrictive dieting is not compatible with binge eating recovery.  Kathryn and Cookie discuss how eating adequately will support your efforts to quit binge eating. Get Kathryn’s free eBook “The Brain over Binge Basics” here Get Cookie’s free eBook and other […]
More info...
18 min
February 3, 2017
Episode 8a: The Brain over Binge 8-Week Group Course
*NOTICE: The 8-Week Group Course that Kathryn & Cookie discuss here has been postponed while Cookie deals with a health issue, but below is an alternative option for getting the course materials and coaching at your own pace:  You can get the Brain over Binge Independent Study Course plus After Course Support for a discount until May 1st, 2018.   In […]
More info...
9 min
January 31, 2017
Episode 8: Dismiss Urges to Binge: Component 5 (Get Excited)
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn to solidify the skill of dismissing urges by getting excited about your success. Celebrating your success helps the old brain pathways fade and strengthens the pathways supporting the new habit of not binge eating. Kathryn and Cookie will also explain […]
More info...
16 min
January 24, 2017
Episode 7: Dismiss Urges to Binge: Component 4 (Stop Acting on Urges to Binge)
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn to avoid acting on urges to binge, by using what you’ve learned so far in the previous 3 Components of Dismissing Urges (which were taught in the previous 3 episodes).  Kathryn and Cookie will discuss how you can manage any discomfort you have […]
More info...
15 min
January 17, 2017
Episode 6: Dismiss Urges to Binge: Component 3 (Stop Reacting to Urges to Binge)
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll continue learning to dismiss urges to binge by learning how to stop reacting to them. Kathryn and Cookie will explain how you can avoid letting the urges make you upset and anxious. You’ll learn the skill of “detachment” from urges, which […]
More info...
15 min
January 10, 2017
Episode 5: Dismiss Urges to Binge: Component 2 (Separate the Higher Brain from Urges to Binge)
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn that the urges to binge are not you, and that you have the power to dismiss the urges. Kathryn and Cookie will teach you to separate your higher brain from your urges to binge, which come from your lower brain. […]
More info...
17 min
January 3, 2017
Episode 4: Dismiss Urges to Binge: Component 1 (View Urges to Binge as Neurological Junk)
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn to view your urges to binge in a new way that is empowering. Kathryn and Cookie discuss the 1st Component of Dismissing Urges to Binge (View Urges to Binge as Neurological Junk).  You will learn to see your urges as faulty brain messages that are meaningless, powerless, and harmless. Get Kathryn’s free […]
More info...
14 min
December 27, 2016
Episode 3: The Lower and Higher Brain at Work in Binge Eating
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn that there are two parts of your brain at work in binge eating and recovery.  The lower brain (also called the primitive or animal brain) produces the urges to binge, and the higher brain (also called the rational or human […]
More info...
17 min
December 20, 2016
Episode 2: The Cause of Binge Eating: Urges to Binge
Thank you for listening to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn the simple reason why you binge, and why you’ve found it difficult to stop binge eating in the past.  Kathryn and Cookie explain that the urges to binge are the only direct cause of binge eating, which takes the complexity […]
More info...
19 min
December 13, 2016
Episode 1: Introducing the Brain over Binge Podcast: A Simple Plan to Stop Binge Eating
Welcome to the Brain over Binge Podcast. In this episode, you’ll learn about the “Brain over Binge” approach to recovery from bulimia, binge eating disorder, or any form of binge eating.  Kathryn and Cookie share their personal stories of recovery, and explain why overcoming binge eating doesn’t have to be complicated. Get Kathryn’s free eBook […]
More info...
24 min
Feedback on the new Podbay?
We're launching the first major update to Podbay in years. We'd love to hear from you whether it's your feedback on this new site, any new features you'd like to see, or just to say hi!
NOTE: The "Following" feed of new episodes is returning this week!
Thanks!
- The Podbay.fm Team
P.S. Please follow us on Twitter at @podbayfm!
Thanks for your feedback!
Close.
Send addtional feedback.
    15
    15
      0:00:00 / 0:00:00